Comments on: I’m voting Yes http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=im-voting-yes Life, technology Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:17:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brenda http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Brenda Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:43:41 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-583 finally found where the poo frosting quote was from! i was too afraid to google for "poo frosting". finally found where the poo frosting quote was from! i was too afraid to google for “poo frosting”.

]]> By: Andrew http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-580 Andrew Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:12:19 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-580 "slightly biased towards" - surely you jest. My understanding is the law gives Police discretion not to prosecute if they believe the act is not serious enough. In any case, nothing has really changed. It's not like hundreds of good parents have been dragged off to the re-education camps since the law was changed and I don't hear the Police complaining that they spend all day investigating smacking. The well publicised cases put forward as examples people being prosecuted for "good parental correction" have turned out to be anything but. I know there is an old cliché about politicians passing any law that is "for the sake of the children", but at worst this change makes no difference and at best makes it just a little harder for someone who belts a child to get away with it. I fail to see the downside. “slightly biased towards” – surely you jest.

My understanding is the law gives Police discretion not to prosecute if they believe the act is not serious enough.

In any case, nothing has really changed. It’s not like hundreds of good parents have been dragged off to the re-education camps since the law was changed and I don’t hear the Police complaining that they spend all day investigating smacking.

The well publicised cases put forward as examples people being prosecuted for “good parental correction” have turned out to be anything but.

I know there is an old cliché about politicians passing any law that is “for the sake of the children”, but at worst this change makes no difference and at best makes it just a little harder for someone who belts a child to get away with it. I fail to see the downside.

]]> By: Anonymous http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-579 Anonymous Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:36:03 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-579 I don't have any issue with the question, but then I am on the side that it is slightly biased towards. The law change only removed a defence under the Crimes Act. It did not suddenly make it illegal to beat your children, nor did the presence of that clause previously ever prevent a prosection. The compromise National sold-out on was one of the most brain-dead decisions ever made. Give the Police discrestion when investigating - something they already have. Lets create more work for the Police, compelling them to investigate harmless correctional methods, and take away a way for people to defend their actions should the Police determine there is a case to answer/quota to meet. I don’t have any issue with the question, but then I am on the side that it is slightly biased towards.

The law change only removed a defence under the Crimes Act. It did not suddenly make it illegal to beat your children, nor did the presence of that clause previously ever prevent a prosection.

The compromise National sold-out on was one of the most brain-dead decisions ever made. Give the Police discrestion when investigating – something they already have. Lets create more work for the Police, compelling them to investigate harmless correctional methods, and take away a way for people to defend their actions should the Police determine there is a case to answer/quota to meet.

]]> By: VoteTheDay http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-578 VoteTheDay Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:13:02 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-578 So what the result will be like of this referendum? Will the smacking be forbidden once and for all? Predictions are accepted here - http://www.votetheday.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-corporal-punishment-referendum-result-450/ So what the result will be like of this referendum? Will the smacking be forbidden once and for all? Predictions are accepted here – http://www.votetheday.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-corporal-punishment-referendum-result-450/

]]> By: Andrew http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-577 Andrew Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:27:57 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-577 I am not sure what you mean by the original law change being undemocratic - it was debated by our elected representatives, changes were made to the language when objections were raised, voted on by parliament and eventually passed in the normal way. The only difference was that the bill passed with a larger majority than usual since even the opposition parties (including National) thought the change was a good idea once their concerns had been addressed. But apparently that isn't good enough for some people, and here we are. I am not sure what you mean by the original law change being undemocratic – it was debated by our elected representatives, changes were made to the language when objections were raised, voted on by parliament and eventually passed in the normal way.

The only difference was that the bill passed with a larger majority than usual since even the opposition parties (including National) thought the change was a good idea once their concerns had been addressed.

But apparently that isn’t good enough for some people, and here we are.

]]> By: Chuck http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-576 Chuck Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:39:25 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-576 Whoever pushed that leading question through as the referendum question is a retard, its turning people off supporting the referendum. I agree the law change was undemocratic, but I dont' care enough to vote. Whoever pushed that leading question through as the referendum question is a retard, its turning people off supporting the referendum.

I agree the law change was undemocratic, but I dont’ care enough to vote.

]]> By: Aza http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Aza Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:01:57 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-574 I'm a yes man too. The law change that prompted all this is great. It simple puts children where adults are. We are not allowed to smack adults who don't do what we want. Even if those adults have "limited" capacity to reason etc, as people suggest children do. You don't see people being pushed or jostled having people arrested for assault, it doesn't happy. The law just puts everyone on an even par and that's great in my opinion. I’m a yes man too. The law change that prompted all this is great. It simple puts children where adults are. We are not allowed to smack adults who don’t do what we want. Even if those adults have “limited” capacity to reason etc, as people suggest children do.

You don’t see people being pushed or jostled having people arrested for assault, it doesn’t happy. The law just puts everyone on an even par and that’s great in my opinion.

]]> By: Stu http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/2009/08/im-voting-yes/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Stu Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:15:37 +0000 http://sandfly.net.nz/blog/?p=606#comment-573 It was your fourth paragraph that convinced me to vote yes as well. Frankly I wasn't going to bother at all, because of the reasons you state - essentially that it's a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money that could probably have been better spent paying MP's to visit the towns they already live in. Children can be absolutely awful at times of course (I'm a parent of two and today am one of those folk that smile + nod at parents dragging their screaming kids bodily through the supermarket) but the great thing about kids is that until they hit about 18-25 you're essentially smarter than them. Rather than smacking I find Archimedian principles more useful. Give me the appropriate lever (removing privileges of electronic forms) and I can move the world (or at least make you pick up your crap and be nicer to your younger brother). It was your fourth paragraph that convinced me to vote yes as well. Frankly I wasn’t going to bother at all, because of the reasons you state – essentially that it’s a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money that could probably have been better spent paying MP’s to visit the towns they already live in.

Children can be absolutely awful at times of course (I’m a parent of two and today am one of those folk that smile + nod at parents dragging their screaming kids bodily through the supermarket) but the great thing about kids is that until they hit about 18-25 you’re essentially smarter than them. Rather than smacking I find Archimedian principles more useful. Give me the appropriate lever (removing privileges of electronic forms) and I can move the world (or at least make you pick up your crap and be nicer to your younger brother).

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